Cherry to Alps adapters

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Mrinterface

22 Jan 2013, 09:39

With this thread I'm going to tell you how I made the cherry to alps adapters. With these adapters you can put cherry caps on an alps keyswitch.

The design in FreeCAD :
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The printing of the protos
The result after printing
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First protos :
Grrrrrrrrrr.....
Grrrrrrrrrr.....
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New design based on protos :
Cut some corners
Cut some corners
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phetto
Elite

22 Jan 2013, 09:40

Nice job.

What plastic did you use?

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Mrinterface

22 Jan 2013, 09:42

phetto wrote:Nice job.

What plastic did you use?
The plastic used in an Orca 3D printer :-)

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7bit

22 Jan 2013, 09:43

For the final product, I demand the highest quality standards!!!!
:mad:

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matt3o
-[°_°]-

22 Jan 2013, 09:54

once we have the prototype, wouldn't be easier/faster/cheaper to mold them? epoxy resin should be way more durable

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Mrinterface

22 Jan 2013, 09:55

7bit wrote:For the final product, I demand the highest quality standards!!!!
:mad:
But of course my liege-lord.....

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Mrinterface

22 Jan 2013, 09:56

matt3o wrote:once we have the prototype, wouldn't be easier/faster/cheaper to mold them? epoxy resin should be way more durable
Yes, they shall be cast!

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matt3o
-[°_°]-

22 Jan 2013, 10:00

of course. sorry for being noob :)

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Mrinterface

22 Jan 2013, 11:24

Latest design sent to i.materialise
5 @ 100%
5 @ 102%
5 @ 98%

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tlt

22 Jan 2013, 16:04

matt3o wrote:once we have the prototype, wouldn't be easier/faster/cheaper to mold them? epoxy resin should be way more durable
I tried with a latex mold and polyurethan resin. It worked but it was way to much work to mass produce. I managed to make at most 4 at a time. The quality was often not good enough ( air bubbles ) and the mold broke often. I think you need a real tool out of metal that you can put melted ABS in or something like that.

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Mrinterface

23 Jan 2013, 20:20

i.materialise came back with a price......
6,50Euro per piece. That's too much, so I tried shapeways : 1,05 euros! That's more like it.
I trust my design to be perfect, so I just ordered 5. Starting february they will arrive.

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dirge

23 Jan 2013, 20:52

What about adapters for both ways? If you like Apple extended II caps but want them on MX switches?

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tlt

23 Jan 2013, 21:13

I have looked at the mounts and I think Alph caps on Cherry switches is going to work a little better because the hight of the key will increase less.

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Mrinterface

24 Jan 2013, 15:33

dirge wrote:What about adapters for both ways? If you like Apple extended II caps but want them on MX switches?
Yes,

But first these... If I know how to make / mass produce them , the Alps to Cherry adapters will be much easier...

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mbodrov

24 Jan 2013, 16:24

Why not make whole sliders, then? Designing them will probably be somewhat more difficult but production cost should be nearly identical for sliders and adapters.

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Mrinterface

24 Jan 2013, 16:37

mbodrov wrote:Why not make whole sliders, then? Designing them will probably be somewhat more difficult but production cost should be nearly identical for sliders and adapters.
I checked that, but for the cherry to alps you also need to design another upper switch housing because the keycap slider part won't go in if you don't make more room.

REVENGE

24 Jan 2013, 23:41

Thanks so much for making the designs!

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Mrinterface

24 Jan 2013, 23:56

REVENGE wrote:Thanks so much for making the designs!
My pleasure... Really. Love doing it.

Actually , this is my step towards bigger projects ;-)

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7bit

25 Jan 2013, 00:02

I guess the bigger project would be to design a slider for Alps switches with a Cherry MX key cap mount!
:ugeek:

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Mrinterface

25 Jan 2013, 00:07

7bit wrote:I guess the bigger project would be to design a slider for Alps switches with a Cherry MX key cap mount!
:ugeek:
Exactly....

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Ekaros

25 Jan 2013, 11:33

7bit wrote:I guess the bigger project would be to design a slider for Alps switches with a Cherry MX key cap mount!
:ugeek:
Would the widths be even combatible? Haven't read the spec, but by my memory the ALPS slider is thinner than normal MX cap mount...

Merijn

25 Jan 2013, 12:51

I'm just wondering how much higher the keys would be on the keyboard. Wouldn't they stick out a lot now?

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kps

25 Jan 2013, 16:28

7bit wrote:I guess the bigger project would be to design a slider for Alps switches with a Cherry MX key cap mount!
:ugeek:
I think I remember having seen photos of such switches, made by ALPS.
Ekaros wrote:Would the widths be even combatible? Haven't read the spec, but by my memory the ALPS slider is thinner than normal MX cap mount...
An APLS slider is 5.0mm; a Cherry slider is 5.6mm.

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7bit

25 Jan 2013, 18:58

The cross is the important thing. Maybe it can be smaller to fit when the switch is depressed from time to time ...
:roll:

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Mrinterface

01 Feb 2013, 18:20

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phetto
Elite

01 Feb 2013, 18:39

Does it work well?

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Mrinterface

01 Feb 2013, 19:03

Preliminary results :

Cap is slightly higher ( need to measure the difference with a normal Alps cap ) and the Alps section turned out to be too small so that could be slightly bigger. My approach to the MX side of the adapter seems to work...

More info after I have some time to dive into it.

pasph

17 Feb 2013, 01:20

Updates?

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Mrinterface

17 Feb 2013, 11:19

pasph wrote:Updates?
Not yet.

Trying to find time to create an array of the adapters so I can 3D print them cheaper....

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calavera

23 Feb 2013, 02:57

When you get this into production I will be first in line to buy them!!

I think for the adapter to work you really need them to be durable. As you know it takes a lot of force to pull alps key caps off their switches. I see these snapping off easily like that red prototype there. Good luck, I'm keeping my eye on this thread.

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