Monterey K104 + USB adapter - high power draw?

kbs1

31 Jan 2016, 03:43

I am trying to get my Monterey K104 keyboard working with Duron 1200mhz VIA based board. Here's a little info:

1) The keyboard works flawlessly with my DTK 286 system. This is the original system it came with, and my first computer (my father bought it in 1988). The keyboard has an AT connector.

2) I use a KVM switch to use the keyboard on my multiple retro systems. The KVM switch is PS2/analog VGA. So the keyboard is connected through AT to PS2 adapter into the switch, then from PS2 to AT onto the 286. Works.

3) Second computer connected was an Intel Pentium 2 with intel 440BX board. Keyboard -> PS2 KVM -> PS2 i440BX - works a treat.

Now for the problems. My "newest" retro system is Duron 1200mhz, Ati Rage Fury MAXX etc. Board is aOpen AK73. When connected to PS2 port, there is no way the keyboard works. Ever. Upon startup, the 3 lights blink, but that's all. I've fiddled with various BIOS settings, to no avail.

I read somewhere that 'modern' PS/2 ports do not deliver enough power for these old keyboards. Okay, so I bought a "blue cube" [after a little research] active PS/2 to USB adapter. Exactly this item: http://www.ebay.com/itm/351291284423

The adapter arrived. Keyboard is not working with Duron PC. Again, only LEDs light up briefly, then it's dead. I said OK, let's try my macbook air. Nothing. A "keyboard identification wizard" pops up, but that's as far as you can go. No keypress is ever registered. The wizard pops up even with an unplugged PS/2 connection into the adapter. That means the blue cube adapter is idetifying itself as an USB keyboard in all cases (good), but it does not pick up anything from my K104 plugged into it. Why?

Can the keyboard draw be any more than USB current limit, let's say 2.5W (5V / 0.5A) on my macbook air? Why does the keyboard work on an intel i440bx and not on the duron?

I'm confused by this. Being a noob into keyboards, I just now read on this forum the function of the switch on the back of the keyboard. Could this be the case? Should I flick the switch?

Attaching some pictures of my keyboard. What switches are those? Are those really that valuable as stated in f-o-r-s-a-l-e-f58/monterey-k104-montere ... 10175.html or is that just a troll thread? :)

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Keyboard history: If you don't care, please skip! :)

I just want to share how I got this keyboard and this 286. This was actually my first computer back in ~1996 when I was 8 years old. My father bought it in 1988. It comes with the original monitor, and this keyboard. It has a SAMPO graphics adapter, with VGA output. 1MB RAM, 40MB MFM harddrive, still works. The system was 'lost' in ~1996 when we upgraded, later I found out my father gave it to a family member, who had 'thrown' it into an apartment that she owned, but never used. Then she moved abroad and the whole thing was forgotten. In 2013, she visited us and told us that she is selling the apartment, and asked us if we want it. I went on an tour. It was a dusty, reminescent of the past and forgotten apartment. And then, on the table was my old 286! :)) How happy I was, I asked if I can keep it, and she was like of course, I don't need it! :) Nice, so I took it home, disassembled it fully, thoroughly cleaned, replaced the leaky CMOS battery, inspected the power supply, and disassembled and cleaned the keyboard as well. And she works! :) Later I started my 'vintage PC' workbench.

I didn't really pay any attention to the keyboard, after a good clean, it works great, so I realised I should use this keyboard for my retro PC bench. It wasn't until today I found all the comments about 'blue switches' when researching the USB connection problem. Could it be that the keyboard is really rare? Please let me know. No plans on selling it though, cause it works really nice, and I don't mind playing some old games on it.
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ohaimark
Kingpin

31 Jan 2016, 04:07

It appears to have Blue Alps, which are one of the most desirable switches in the keyboard community. If you sold it, the price would be above $100.

Did you try flipping the AT/XT switch in both positions? AT is what you'll want for modern applications.

Also... Did you drown those switches in lube? Jesus Christ.

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XMIT
[ XMIT ]

31 Jan 2016, 04:11

Some of these keyboards either appear to burn a bunch of power through the cable or suffer signal degradation. If y ou can your best bet is a Soarer's converter inside the case itself. I've had trouble with similar keyboards thanks to the cable.

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ohaimark
Kingpin

31 Jan 2016, 04:15

XMIT wrote: Some of these keyboards either appear to burn a bunch of power through the cable or suffer signal degradation. If y ou can your best bet is a Soarer's converter inside the case itself. I've had trouble with similar keyboards thanks to the cable.
Uhhhh... Why not just replace the cable, then?

kbs1

31 Jan 2016, 04:22

I did try to flip the switch right now. It was on AT the whole time. When on XT, I can toggle numlock, but the keyboard doesn't work with the duron :( Also, the fact that I can toggle numlock in XT mode without any problems, means that power for the keyboard should be sufficient (at least I hope so! :) This time it was connected directly to the PS/2 port of the duron.

I do not have another PS/2 keyboard to test with, unfortunately. But an USB keyboard does work well on the Duron. Also the fact that it does not work on macbook either, leaves me thinking it's the keyboard... some sort of legacy communication protocol issue maybe?

> Also... Did you drown those switches in lube? Jesus Christ.
- I didn't do anything with them, even when cleaning, I mostly cleaned the key caps and the surrounding plastic case and metal plate :) It's just bad lighting, the keyboard is actually completely dry. I also do not use any hand lotion products or anything similar.

> Some of these keyboards either appear to burn a bunch of power through the cable or suffer signal degradation. If y ou can your best bet is a Soarer's converter inside the case itself. I've had trouble with similar keyboards thanks to the cable.
- thanks, I'll look it up. But why does it work on the 286 and the i440BX board then, hmm?

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ohaimark
Kingpin

31 Jan 2016, 04:26

Maybe the other two computers bruteforce the power with 700 ma or something... The Blue Cube is known to not work with certain KBs anyways.

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Redmaus
Gotta start somewhere

31 Jan 2016, 05:28

Whoaa blue alps with a layout that has a full backspace, win keys, and a standard numpad. You lucked out man. :D

Neat looking arrow legends...

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Chyros

31 Jan 2016, 11:38

Cool, it uses the Focus layout! My favourite :D . And the DEC-like arrows are neat too. The switches are outstanding too, and they even look like they're in good condition! :)

kbs1

02 Feb 2016, 04:31

Thanks for the compliments and suggestions guys, Teensy 2.0 / future soarer converter is on it's way! :) And I will solder it all together nicely and put it into a neat case. I will let you know how that turns out - hope the keyboard works then over USB, I'll try it as my daily driver then, see how that goes :)

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