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Zenith Z-150
Posted: 08 Dec 2016, 20:21
by paecific.jr
I splurged on another keyboard.
But, I have less than some people on here and on Geekhack so I digress.
I bought a Zenith Z-150. I mostly wanted a vintage gaming keyboard with some smooth linear Alps. I got sucked into buying it because it was sold for a fair price on eBay ($50). So the ultimate question, how do I get it to work without cutting the cable? I forgot to do my research and from what I hear orihalcon's converter doesn't work. Does it? Do I have to order a Teensy? How do I move forward?
Also, it may be a week before I actually set out to hook it up, I have finals next week.
Thanks for your help everyone!
Posted: 08 Dec 2016, 20:32
by Menuhin
Hey Pacific junior,
It's a nice board with the adorable linear Green Alps, mine is missing a few keys... :\
For Z-150, those with White label is the AT version, those with black label is the XT version.
Both will work with 'Soarer's converter" sold at about $40.
The AT version is simpler - you can use a cheap AT to PS/2 converter and then a cheap PS/2 to USB converter.
HTH.
Posted: 08 Dec 2016, 21:56
by paecific.jr
I have yellows. My is a black label. Do you have a configuration I could use for Soarer's converter?
Posted: 09 Dec 2016, 01:25
by Menuhin
I don't have this AT/XT to USB converter, but it sounds like it works like magic according to this thread:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64670.0
Not cheap, and many wonder how it is put together:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/272197728524?_tr ... EBIDX%3AIT
Posted: 09 Dec 2016, 03:20
by Chyros
Isn't the Z-150 one of those reset line keyboards? I keep forgetting.
Posted: 09 Dec 2016, 13:25
by Menuhin
Chyros wrote: Isn't the Z-150 one of those reset line keyboards? I keep forgetting.
I'm too new to the hobby of older pre-PS/2 keyboards, so I haven't even heard of the term "reset line keyboards".
Do you mind telling more about that?
Posted: 09 Dec 2016, 14:16
by Chyros
Menuhin wrote: Chyros wrote: Isn't the Z-150 one of those reset line keyboards? I keep forgetting.
I'm too new to the hobby of older pre-PS/2 keyboards, so I haven't even heard of the term "reset line keyboards".
Do you mind telling more about that?
Some XT keyboards don't work with a 4-pin Soarer's converter like Orihalcon's as they use the fifth pin as a reset line. Those keyboards will not work without this line. Orihalcon does sell conversion kits for those keyboards iirc. I can't remember for sure but I think the Z-150 was one of those.
Posted: 09 Dec 2016, 22:39
by Menuhin
So it sounds like Z-150 won't work so easily with Orihalcon's converter. I actually haven't read any report of Z-150 (XT/AT) working with a converter except with that little black box.
Posted: 09 Dec 2016, 23:42
by paecific.jr
Chyros wrote: Menuhin wrote: Chyros wrote: Isn't the Z-150 one of those reset line keyboards? I keep forgetting.
I'm too new to the hobby of older pre-PS/2 keyboards, so I haven't even heard of the term "reset line keyboards".
Do you mind telling more about that?
Some XT keyboards don't work with a 4-pin Soarer's converter like Orihalcon's as they use the fifth pin as a reset line. Those keyboards will not work without this line. Orihalcon does sell conversion kits for those keyboards iirc. I can't remember for sure but I think the Z-150 was one of those.
Could you help me find some more info on this?
Also huge fan of your videos!
Posted: 05 Feb 2017, 00:24
by Hypersphere
I have a Zenith Z-150 (100-1886) Black Label with SKCL Yellow Alps. It works with an Orihalcon-Soarer converter. I bought an internal converter from Orihalcon -- this one has the 5th wire for the reset. His converters have a micro-USB connector on the mini circuit board.

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I plug this into a micro-USB cable with a panel-mount micro-USB connector. The connectors I have been using are from DataPro for $9.95:
http://www.datapro.net/products/usb-mic ... e-m-f.html
But recently, Adafruit started carrying a more compact version for only $4.95:

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https://www.adafruit.com/product/937
There is plenty of room inside the Zenith Z-150 case for the converter and panel-mount micro-USB cable with connector. You just need to drill three holes in the back of the case for mounting the connector. It works quite nicely.
Adafruit also carries a mini-USB connector, so if you preferred to have a mini-USB connector, you could use a small mini-to-micro adapter for the Orihalcon-Soarer converter. You can find such adapters on Amazon and eBay.
Posted: 05 Feb 2017, 20:10
by paecific.jr
Thanks for that Hypersphere. I have a teensy right now, I'm just lacking in time to put it together.
Posted: 05 Feb 2017, 20:57
by Chyros
Ah, yes, that thing. I messaged Orihalcon about it twice, but he never replied. Personally, I'd also prefer to mod it plugside rather than PCB-side as the original cable is amazing.
Posted: 06 Feb 2017, 00:27
by Hypersphere
@Chyros: Orihalcon is always very busy with work and various projects. He usually responds eventually, perhaps after a reminder.
I prefer my keyboards with detachable cables. I frequently swap out keyboards at my workstations, and I store my keyboards in boxes. Overall, things are much neater without attached cables.
Regarding the Z-150 (100-1886), How can you determine (such as from a seller's listing) if it has dye-sub PBT vs. doubleshot keycaps without seeing the underside of the keycaps? Is there any correlation with the S/N or are there other numbers or outward signs? If a seller has not already pulled a cap, I am reluctant to ask him to do so -- the last time I made such a request about an Alps-switch keyboard, , the seller broke the cap with the cap stem still embedded in the slider.