Key Cap profiles: Topre Realforce HiPro vs 10 Old-School Keyboards

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snuci
Vintage computer guy

09 Dec 2015, 01:51

Since I acquired my Topre Realforce Hipro, I was interested in checking the profile against other old school keyboards. Here are some pics of Topre HiPro vs 10 other vintage keyboards with high profiles too. I think number 8. Vintage Alps takes the prize.

Topre Realforce HiPro
Topre Realforce HiPro
0. Topre Realforce HiPro.jpg (250.97 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to Topre Realforce Hipro Post

1. IBM 5100 Beam Spring
1. IBM 5100 Beam Spring
1. IBM 5100 Beam Spring.jpg (145.99 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to IBM 5100 Post

2. IBM 5110 Beam Spring
2. IBM 5110 Beam Spring
2. IBM 5110 Beam Spring.jpg (146.83 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to IBM 5110 Post

3. Datapoint 1500 Key Tronic
3. Datapoint 1500 Key Tronic
3. Datapoint 1500 Key Tronic.jpg (210.95 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to Datapoint 1500 Post

4. TRS-80 Model I Alps
4. TRS-80 Model I Alps
4. TRS-80 Model I Alps.jpg (236.93 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to TRS-80 Model I Post

5. Xerox 820-II Maxi Switch
5. Xerox 820-II Maxi Switch
5. Xerox 820-II Maxi Switch.jpg (223.85 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to Xerox 820-II Post

6. Alps AKB-3420 Alps
6. Alps AKB-3420 Alps
6. Alps AKB-3420 Alps.jpg (241.06 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to Alps AKB-3420 Post

7. Nabu PC Alps
7. Nabu PC Alps
7. Nabu PC Alps.jpg (227.8 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to Nabu PC Post

8. Vintage unknown Alps
8. Vintage unknown Alps
8. Vintage unknown Alps.jpg (235.66 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to vintage Alps Blog Post

9. Vintage Unknown SMK
9. Vintage Unknown SMK
9. Vintage Unknown Micro Switch.jpg (244.95 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to Vintage SMK Blog Post

10. Homemade Diablo Micro Switch
10. Homemade Diablo Micro Switch
10. Homemade Micro Switch.jpg (260.8 KiB) Viewed 2371 times
Link to Homemade Diablo Post

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Halvar

09 Dec 2015, 17:25

Great documentation! The beam spring switches have a tilted mount though, and probably some of the other keyboards, too, so the profile on the actual board will be different.

I took this photo of a 3278 once that shows the effect:
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XMIT
[ XMIT ]

09 Dec 2015, 19:14

This is a great start. I've been meaning to get to something like this for ages.

Future improvements:
- I'd like to quantify the size and shape of the spherical area on the top of the key caps. Some, like Topre, are squared at the edges, and others are true sphericals.
- For boards that use tilted key switch stems, it would be good to get a profile both with key caps flat on the desk and key caps mounted on a board (or tilted at the same angle as their stems).
- Long shot: I'd love to see accurate 3D models of all of these caps, or CAD drawings based on precise dimensions.

This is certainly missing Selectric typewriter and/or later model IBM beam spring keyboards.

But all great work must start somewhere and this is a great start!

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klikkyklik

09 Dec 2015, 19:23

Holy cow, those vintage Alps keys are TALL! Wow!

Cool stuff, Snuci!

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SL89

09 Dec 2015, 19:36

Do any of these boards have curved backplanes?

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snuci
Vintage computer guy

10 Dec 2015, 00:12

None of the keyboards have a curved back plate but some do have angled key stems. It's sort of easy to see from the "arc". If it's fluid, they are not angled. If it is jagged like the TRS-80, the key stems are angled. Unfortunately, you can't really check key cap height if the stems are angled like the picture you included Halvar.

Here are some pictures of the key caps. Sorry but I don't have the Topre Realforce HiPro at home for the "photo shoot" (it's my work keyboard). As you will see, these key caps are all the "A" key. The pointy end of the "A" is pointing to the wall when you can't see the key cap symbol.

Order from left to right:
1. IBM 5100
2. IBM 5110
3. Datapoint 1500
4. TRS-80 Model 1
5. Xerox 820-II
6. Alps AKB-3420
7. Nabu PC
8. Vintage Unknown Alps
9. Vintage Unknown SMK
10. Home-made Micro Switch

Key caps front
Key caps front
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Key caps top
Key caps top
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Key caps bottom
Key caps bottom
Key caps bottom A down.jpg (201.57 KiB) Viewed 2291 times
Key caps bottom 30 degree angle
Key caps bottom 30 degree angle
Key caps bottom 30 degrees.jpg (241.18 KiB) Viewed 2291 times
Key caps bottom 60 degree angle
Key caps bottom 60 degree angle
Key caps bottom 60 degrees.jpg (222.8 KiB) Viewed 2291 times

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