Cherry G80-3000 - Missing "classic" bumps on the F, J and 5 keys
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- Location: Czech Republic
- Main keyboard: Cherry G80-3000
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master 3S
- Favorite switch: MX Blue
Hello,
please allow me to ask for your help.
I bought a new Cherry G80-3000 Cherry keyboard https://www.cherry-world.com/g80-3000 in G80-3000LSCEU-2 (MX Blue, EU layout, black)
I am very excited about this keyboard - I especially like the feel when typing. However, I don't like that the F and J keys don't have "classic" tactile bumps. Instead of the classic tactile bumps, the F and J keys have a slightly different shape - more of a recessed shape. Key 5 then has a raised tactile point in the central location. I can't get too used to this - especially the F and J keys.
Here photo (click to zoom):
At first I wanted to return the keyboard for the reasons stated, however after about a week of typing on the G80-3000 I have become "addicted" and cannot go back to the basic membrane keyboard. I only use the keyboard for typing and other standard PC activities. I do not use the keyboard for gaming.
Can I please buy the same keycaps for F, J and 5 with standard tactile bumps somewhere? I would use the new keycaps to replace the existing keycaps for the F, J and 5 keys.
Any advice and recommendations are welcome.
Thank you
please allow me to ask for your help.
I bought a new Cherry G80-3000 Cherry keyboard https://www.cherry-world.com/g80-3000 in G80-3000LSCEU-2 (MX Blue, EU layout, black)
I am very excited about this keyboard - I especially like the feel when typing. However, I don't like that the F and J keys don't have "classic" tactile bumps. Instead of the classic tactile bumps, the F and J keys have a slightly different shape - more of a recessed shape. Key 5 then has a raised tactile point in the central location. I can't get too used to this - especially the F and J keys.
Here photo (click to zoom):
At first I wanted to return the keyboard for the reasons stated, however after about a week of typing on the G80-3000 I have become "addicted" and cannot go back to the basic membrane keyboard. I only use the keyboard for typing and other standard PC activities. I do not use the keyboard for gaming.
Can I please buy the same keycaps for F, J and 5 with standard tactile bumps somewhere? I would use the new keycaps to replace the existing keycaps for the F, J and 5 keys.
Any advice and recommendations are welcome.
Thank you
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- Location: London
- Main keyboard: Wy-60
- Favorite switch: Vint Black baby FIGHT ME!
Oh you want the homing bars on f and j.
Yeah there are keycaps that would give you all kind of homing options. But color matching would be a bit tough
Yeah there are keycaps that would give you all kind of homing options. But color matching would be a bit tough
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- Location: CZ
- Main keyboard: Kinesis Advantage2, JIS ThinkPad,…
- Main mouse: I like (some) trackballs, e.g., L-Trac
- Favorite switch: #vintage ghost Cherry MX Black (+ thick POM caps)
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Scoops are the best though.
Cherry's thin keycaps (meh) have bars and so do (some?) GMK's and Chinese clones. I'm quite sure there's a wealth of information on this somewhere; I'd start with this old, somewhat dumb GH thread.
Cherry's thin keycaps (meh) have bars and so do (some?) GMK's and Chinese clones. I'm quite sure there's a wealth of information on this somewhere; I'd start with this old, somewhat dumb GH thread.
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- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
- DT Pro Member: 0011
Among keycap sets out there, do beware that it is possible that they'll include a Caps Lock and Space Bar keycaps that don't fit the Cherry G80-3000, but do fit other brands's keyboards.
XVX "Cherry Profile" is white-on-black, supposedly double-shot PBT and Cherry Profile and in a very affordable price in comparison to what keycap sets can cost. It is an example that doesn't include a stepped Caps Lock key though and I can't find on the site if the space bar is compatible with the G80-3000. They do have more sets in "Cherry Profile" with other colours.
I've yet to see an extensive review and comparison with other keycaps.
Edit: The WoB set does not seem to have the exact same font as Cherry, but some of their other "Cherry profile" sets seem to.
BTW. If you'd get "EnjoyPBT" keycaps, then F and J have both scoops and homing bars.
Personally I never feel for the homing keys, and back when I started with mechanical keyboards, I didn't even notice that F and J on my first Cherry keyboard were scooped until someone told me.
XVX "Cherry Profile" is white-on-black, supposedly double-shot PBT and Cherry Profile and in a very affordable price in comparison to what keycap sets can cost. It is an example that doesn't include a stepped Caps Lock key though and I can't find on the site if the space bar is compatible with the G80-3000. They do have more sets in "Cherry Profile" with other colours.
I've yet to see an extensive review and comparison with other keycaps.
Edit: The WoB set does not seem to have the exact same font as Cherry, but some of their other "Cherry profile" sets seem to.
BTW. If you'd get "EnjoyPBT" keycaps, then F and J have both scoops and homing bars.
Personally I never feel for the homing keys, and back when I started with mechanical keyboards, I didn't even notice that F and J on my first Cherry keyboard were scooped until someone told me.
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
Does doubleshot PBT really work now—is it doubleshot and how does it compare to doubleshot ABS?—or is it cynical marketing BS? “Reverse dyesubs” come to mind: hideous idea that ages as well as a glass of milk left out by the keyboard.
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- Location: United States
- Main keyboard: Model M SSK Industrial
- Main mouse: G502
- Favorite switch: Buckling Spring
I think it's a blend of PBT and ABS, I haven't had much experience with them though.Muirium wrote: ↑30 Apr 2023, 22:23Does doubleshot PBT really work now—is it doubleshot and how does it compare to doubleshot ABS?—or is it cynical marketing BS? “Reverse dyesubs” come to mind: hideous idea that ages as well as a glass of milk left out by the keyboard.
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- Location: Czech Republic
- Main keyboard: Cherry G80-3000
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master 3S
- Favorite switch: MX Blue
Thanks so much for the reply and also the links to specific keycaps tips suitable for the G80-3000. As I can see, this is a very complex and interesting issue and not easy to navigate in a short time. However, this keyboard area is very interesting to me so I will study it.
As for Scoop vs. Bars, that's an interesting discussion - I had no idea there was such a thing Well, I am new to mechanical keyboards and have a lot to learn.
Maybe I'll consider the matter and try typing with Scoops for a while and see, maybe I'll get used to it and keycaps with Bars won't be needed at all We'll see.....
I would still have questions please about my G80-3000 see photo above :
- what material are the keycaps made of? Is it PBT? Can it be identified somehow from the manufacturing label?
- Is it possible to know from the code on the manufacturing label which year the keyboard was made?
- The keyboard has a cable with a USB connector to connect to a PC. Is there any point in using a PS/2 reducer and connecting to the PC using PS/2? I read somewhere on the internet that a PS/2 connection should be more suitable.
Thanks
As for Scoop vs. Bars, that's an interesting discussion - I had no idea there was such a thing Well, I am new to mechanical keyboards and have a lot to learn.
Maybe I'll consider the matter and try typing with Scoops for a while and see, maybe I'll get used to it and keycaps with Bars won't be needed at all We'll see.....
I would still have questions please about my G80-3000 see photo above :
- what material are the keycaps made of? Is it PBT? Can it be identified somehow from the manufacturing label?
- Is it possible to know from the code on the manufacturing label which year the keyboard was made?
- The keyboard has a cable with a USB connector to connect to a PC. Is there any point in using a PS/2 reducer and connecting to the PC using PS/2? I read somewhere on the internet that a PS/2 connection should be more suitable.
Thanks
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- Location: Stockholm, Sweden
- DT Pro Member: 0011
They are made of POM, which is durable but has a bit low friction.
Cherry keyboards with L as the first letter after the number in the article number have keycaps that are Laser-etched, and the black laser-etched ones are made of POM.
wiki/Cherry_article_numbers
There's a Wiki article about that too: wiki/Cherry_date_codes
There are some posters and web pages out there that claim that PS/2 would be inherently faster than USB, which would matter for competitive gaming. But that is nonsense.
Use PS/2 only if your PC has a PS/2 port and you need the USB ports for other things.
- paperWasp
- Location: Czech Republic, Europe
- Main keyboard: CHERRY G80-3000 S TKL
- Main mouse: Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse 2.0
- Favorite switch: MX Brown
My Cherry G80-3000 S TKL has both - differently shaped F J + homing bars on them. They're slowly disappearing after more than 2 years of daily use. When my fingers can't find them, I'll stick something else on there. I'm a pig - so what?
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
Deep dishes are classier. Appreciate what you already have. I'd much rather have those than little plastic hardened snotters on my keyboards.
- paperWasp
- Location: Czech Republic, Europe
- Main keyboard: CHERRY G80-3000 S TKL
- Main mouse: Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse 2.0
- Favorite switch: MX Brown
I had completely levelled homing bars on my last rubber dome keyboard (Microsoft Wired Keyboard 200). Some old stickers for labelling audio cassettes (those tiny square stickers with numbers and letters attached to the same place did the trick). Replacing them every couple of weeks was a little annoying, though.
- kbdfr
- The Tiproman
- Location: Berlin, Germany
- Main keyboard: Tipro MID-QM-128A + two Tipro matrix modules
- Main mouse: Contour Rollermouse Pro
- Favorite switch: Cherry black
- DT Pro Member: 0010
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- Location: London
- Main keyboard: Wy-60
- Favorite switch: Vint Black baby FIGHT ME!
There are a tons of keycaps products now that would meet your need. I am absolutely not up to date with the current market so I dont feel confident that my recommendations would be the most sufficient to you (money to value wise).
However, if I may, I would suggest you to look for a few thing in your country:
- Amazon sells loads of keycaps now, I remember a set by HG or whatever the brand in 9009 colorway that was very popular choice (at least for UK folks) 1 to 2 years back as a cost effective one. Now when I search, i can't find them anymore, not because they are no longer available, but because there are just a tons more products. Have a search, maybe think about this one:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Akko-Keyboard- ... r_1_8?th=1
Akko is a certified brand.
- Search your local community, whether it be discord or reddit, they might have something to offer. Dont worry about buying used keycaps, majority of them are still in very good condition.
- Ebay is another option that I would love to explore, for cheap deals (and the thrills).
- Mechanical keyboards vendors, tons of them around EU in general, and they surely have something in stock.
Best of luck