Trev wrote:rjrich wrote:Trev, Welcome back! After following your posts about the HHKB Pro 2 and then the RF 87u, I have acquired a Leopold FC660C and fallen in love with Topre switches. However, although I like the form factor and layout of the Leo, I would like better keycaps, like those on the white/gray HHKB Pro 2 or white/gray RF 87u, so I am considering these keyboards. I am curious to know if you still like your RF 87u, despite the fact that you found it "underwhelming".
They are underwhelming, yes. I can't imagine many people trying them for the first time and being blown away. I stayed away from the FC660C because of the keycaps and the cheaper build quality (not that it's particularly bad, it's just not on par with Realforce).
I smash away at the 87U every day and have yet to find anything better
I'm very familiar with the feel, so wouldn't really want to switch.
I think the only way to acquire Mac modifier keys is to order a spare HHKB set. Kind of expensive for just a few key caps.
Trev,
I've forgotten -- Did you opt for the variable-weight RF or the uniform 45-g or 55-g version? Based on comments I've seen on DT and GH, some people believe that the distinct Topre feel is not fully realized until moving up to the 55-g version.
That said, I have at least temporarily set aside my IBM SSK (in my home office), and I have been using the Leopold FC660C (with 45-gram Topres) for the past two weeks or so. I never thought any keyboard could displace my IBM buckling springs, but the Topres are doing a great job of stealing my affection.
Nevertheless, my OCD tendencies continually distract me. I keep looking at the keycaps, wishing they were high-end dye-sub PBT like those on my SSK or like those I've seen on the white/gray versions of the HHKB Pro 2 or RF 87u.
Moreover, in addition to worrying about the keycaps, and despite the fact that I like the ~ 60+% form factor, I remain bothered by the broken symmetry of the arrow cluster and Insert/Delete keys. Although part of me prefers a sub-TKL board, another part loves the symmetry of the navigation island on a TKL or even full-size keyboard.
I remain drawn to the elegant design of the HHKB Pro 2, but I strongly suspect I would have great difficulty adjusting to the layout and absence of dedicated arrow keys.
The answer for me might lie in an upgraded version of the Leopold FC660C. It would be great if Realforce would decide to produce a high-end board along these lines. It would also seem that we are overdue for an update from PFU -- the HHKB Pro 3, with dedicated arrow keys, complete programmability, and a Bluetooth option.
I still hate the bubble keys, but have accepted that she's not perfect. I'll swap them out some day. Ideally, I'd like to have the bottom row showing correct Mac modifier legends too.
