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davkol

23 Apr 2014, 23:14

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Daniel Beardsmore

24 Apr 2014, 01:01

Yes, the AT101 was tactile, so the switches are not intended to click. The Alps-made AT101 series had dye-sub keycaps; once manufacturing was taken over by Silitek, the keycaps were laser-etched. The keycaps are reported to be ABS: [wiki]Dell AT101[/wiki], but it may be that all the keycaps are PBT except space bar, due to the difficulties of moulding large objects in PBT. Topre do this: the Realforce has PBT keycaps except space bar, which is ABS. PBT space bars tend to warp like a banana. ABS is the plastic that is prone to yellowing.

[wiki]Alps SKCM White Damped[/wiki] was a cheaper version of cream damped that we figure was made only in 1995. Officially the AEK II was discontinued in 1994, but it appears that they were still made in 1995 with white damped switches. They're not supposed to click though — sounds like in their cheapness, or simply through wear, they're emitting sounds that they're not supposed to.

davkol

24 Apr 2014, 01:17

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Daniel Beardsmore

24 Apr 2014, 02:18

Google has already found this topic! I don't see any other mention anywhere of PBT keycaps on the AT101— you may be the first English-speaking person to ever notice. ("DS" is doubleshot, though confusingly it can also stand for "dye-sub".)

You should invite Ripster to take one of your keycaps and put it through his acid testing ;-)

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Daniel Beardsmore

25 Apr 2014, 23:58

PS You should post a photo of your keyboard to the wiki as a demonstration — there don't seem to be many people with yellowed AT101 keyboards, while I did find AEK (or AEK II, one or the other) exactly as you describe.

davkol

26 Apr 2014, 01:15

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scottc

26 Apr 2014, 01:23

Those keycaps legends (tab, enter, backspace particularly) look to be a lot more interesting than on my later AT102W with black ALPS. Or is that just me?

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Daniel Beardsmore

26 Apr 2014, 01:50

Later AT101 + AT101W (plus 102/103 counterparts) were made by Silitek, and have laser-etched legends.

I've replaced every possible keycap on my AT102W with Tai-Hao doubleshots, but there's a few I can't swap: caps lock (AT101 caps lock is stepped and the mount is something like 1 or 2 mm out); ctrl, alt, and space (all changed due to additional front row keys); return (donor keyboard is bigass enter); and backspace (donor keyboard is 1 u backspace). I did swap \ even though I had to use a beige key (donor keyboard has two \ keys, strangely).

Laser etching is just horrible. You can see the difference here:
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And yes, Silitek's legends are boring.

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scottc

26 Apr 2014, 01:57

Oh, interesting. I had assumed that they all had the same awful lasered keycaps. I should get some more caps for my AT102W, the current ones are absolutely dreadful.

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Daniel Beardsmore

27 Apr 2014, 02:21

OK, a few notes:

The wiki doesn't say what printing method Silitek used. Sandy noted to me that it's neither dye-sub nor laser — he thought silkscreen.

As I understand it, Silitek moved to laser-etching with the AT10_W (you can see that very clearly in my photo above). Before that, it's not clear what they used and I can't find an adequate photograph to examine the surface detail.

You can see a comparison here:

http://sandy55.fc2web.com/keyboard/dell_43197.html
http://sandy55.fc2web.com/keyboard/dell_29858.html

There's nothing special about the legend designs: the AT102/AT102W had simpler legends than AT101/AT101W. I guess for ISO, the textual captions were omitted to reduce localisation costs. That may explain why Apple also used symbolic legends in Europe and textual legends in the US.

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