tipro layout and general disappointment justified or not

[jond_keyhack]

been using MID tipro now for a good 5 months and I have been trying to figure out if the key offset is disrupting my typing. I think it might be a little bit. I am quite a fluent typer but had to correct myself writing this about 4 times.

If you notice on MID or or possibly tmc but I think MID tipors the keys are about 0.5 cm to the right than traditinal qwertyu layouts.
Does anyone know why this is? I am thinking of returning to try something else. These mx blacks are are also quite difficult to type on and I don't think I have the patience to solder on some mx browns ( which I am after )

I like the custom programming software changeme has with regards to having four layers for pretty much any key which I guess is helpful. But it is only really helpful to a certain extent.

Everytime I boot up my pc I have to use another keyboard since my cpu fan boots up with little speed and I need to press f1. My tipro isn't recognized at that point. So that is quite annoying.

I am yping on some full pbt keys or whatever they are called when you have the metal in and at least two rubber rings around the base of each key which , although helps with the 80gm or so actuation under cheryr mxblack. I feel it would be much better ion something like a poker or vortex board.
sometimes it feels quite nice to just type on this keyboard but it seems I can only do so whilst looking down at it to not make mistakes.

Can anyone recommend anything that has cherry mx brown in, possibly with leds, has a lot of programmable layers and has an oldschool simplistic feel to it. I wouldn't like to move to a ducky or anything with the enter and shift keys that sometimes falls off when pressing too hard on them. Although that could be because I was using the cheap keys the ducky arrived with. hmm thats food for thought on another topic

sigh..

here is my tipro , yes it is a complete mess

Also there are two keys that just can't be registered because they originally had an enter and shift key over two points. That is the faded blue to the right of my makeshift enter key and the faded blue to the left shift key. They are extremely annoying just being there doing nothing.

I can't afford really to spend £100+ on just cherry mx caps to solder and this tipro itself was new so cost me £110. I have another two earlier models of this in matrix layout which I could sell to put towards a new keyboard

thanks for reading if you have read all the post so far. I really appreciated everyones help hkdfr etc in helping my fickle self attempt to use tipro but I think our relationship is over unfortunately

any suggestions would be put to great thought

[seebart]

well you tried! Don't be so disappointed! I never owned a tipro but this reminds me of my only try at 60% which was a Poker 2. I just could not get used to it although I did not try as long as you did. Move on! There are tons of other great keyboards out there.

[Muirium]

Yup. Try something else. Whatever it is you're looking for…

[kbdfr]

[…] Can anyone recommend anything that has cherry mx brown in, possibly with leds, has a lot of programmable layers and has an oldschool simplistic feel to it. […]

You should use… a Tipro MID - because obviously you don't.

Your description of the key offset (your post contains no pic) fits exactly the Tipro TMC/KMX/Free range, but by no means the MID models.

The MID range has the absolutely classical row offset, where no key of the alphanumeric field is exactly in the same horizontal position than any another one or, to put it another way, no key of the alphanumeric field is exactly under another one (a remnant of the old lever typewriter construction, where each key was connected to a lever and each lever of course had to have another horizontal position). This is obtained through the 1.5u Tab key, 1.75u CapsLock key and 1.25u (ISO) or 2.25u (ANSI) left Shift key. So each row has a different offset.

Unlike the Tipro MID keyboards, the Tipro TMC/KMX/Free keyboards do not respect this layout. Their number row and ASDF row have exactly the same horizontal alignment, and so do their QWERTY row and Shift row. While their Tab key still is 1.5u, their CapsLock key is 2.0u instead of 1.75u and their left Shift key is 1.5u (like the Tab key). So typing on them can be quite distressing - exactly the way you describe.

• Tipro MID keyboards have a rounded front and a metal base plate and their connectors are situated at the rear of the keyboard. Their CapsLock key is 1.75u and their left Shift key is 1.25u.
• TMC/KMX/Free keyboards have an angular front, their base is made of plastic with a sophisticated cable management, and their connectors are situated underneath. Their CapsLock key is 1.5u and their left Shift key is 2.0u.

Please check what you are using and confirm. Best would of course be a pic.

[CeeSA]

You should go for a matrix layout, staggerd is only for classic boards acceptable

[jond_keyhack]

thanks

[Daniel Beardsmore]

Are those Tai-Hao doubleshots? Where did you get those? That's not a colour that I've seen for sale yet. (It's the right typeface for Tai-Hao, and that's their weird attempt at the Windows logo, now incorrectly replaced with the XP logo instead of the Windows 8 logo that they should be using.)

[jond_keyhack]

Are those Tai-Hao doubleshots? Where did you get those? That's not a colour that I've seen for sale yet. (It's the right typeface for Tai-Hao, and that's their weird attempt at the Windows logo, now incorrectly replaced with the XP logo instead of the Windows 8 logo that they should be using.)

they're from here http://www.originativeco.com/collection ... nic-blue-1

it says in the picture that they're compared with tai-hao so I assume they must be tai-hao , if that makes sense.

Also to confirm they're infact ABS and oceanic blue

[Vierax]

Everytime I boot up my pc I have to use another keyboard since my cpu fan boots up with little speed and I need to press f1. My tipro isn't recognized at that point. So that is quite annoying.

Some keyboard have a recognition problem during POST. I experienced that on some computers and keyboards configuration but never on a Tipro.
If your BIOS is rightly setted up, cool n' quiet (or whatever Intel calls the fan speed control feature) should be enabled. It's not a bug.

For the rest of the topic, I have not much patience than 6 months ago so I wisely shut up. Just to show you that it didn't change :

The MID range has the absolutely classical row offset

in bold in the text, then :

Is the MID series offset just the same as on conventional modern menchanical keybords like ducky, vortex, poker etc? thanks

Merry Christmas, companions !

[jond_keyhack]

yeh I think it is something in changeme sftware I need to go over - although I'm starting to suspect another issue where my cursor decides to stop being present sometimes after typing and I continue typing assumi_() I am still typing
the _() above shows where this happened writing this - although it actually happened twice writing this paragraph.

It will happen again whilst typing lol , anyway

With the money I spent I would have probably been netter with a ducky mini and that awesome iso enter key . Then getting some browns for it and something separate for programming like a smaller 4x8 tipro. I don't know if the ducky mini is hard backplated ( I can't remember the word ) - it most likely is so will be a challenge to solder on browns

Then I'm stuck with the ()_ whether MID will work under windows 7 without using some converter. I can't even remember if the MID staggered boards are usb or mainly ps/2

merry christmas to you all aswell

[Daniel Beardsmore]

they're from here http://www.originativeco.com/collection ... nic-blue-1

"The sets in the picture are compared with the Tai Hao keys.The sets in the picture are compared with the Tai Hao keys."

…?

They certainly look like Tai-Hao caps to me, and they're a nice colour. I have some Cherry/GMK/fake-Cherry modifiers and arrows on my Filco (sky blue ctrl, and grass green alt and arrows), but I don't care for Cherry's typeface or arrows, and they're Cherry profile instead of OEM profile :(

[jond_keyhack]

Happy boxing day

[kbdfr]

So exactly as I thought, you just assumed you were using a MID series keyboard while in fact it is a TMK series.

But as Vierax pointed out, it seems pointless to give you any info if in your next post you ask exactly what you've just been told:

The MID range has the absolutely classical row offset

in bold in the text, then :

Is the MID series offset just the same as on conventional modern menchanical keybords like ducky, vortex, poker etc? thanks

Well, I'll try it again:
Tipro MID (I mean real MID, not assumed MID) keyboards have a fully normal layout, except for one thing which in fact requires modding.
I could sell you one if you're interested. Here is my daily driver as an example:

(Two spots hidden for personal reasons)

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[Muirium]

All those redacted caps are Trucker Girls!



If I was going to choose, I'd have hidden the AZERTY, one of the few layouts even worse than QWERTY!

[kbdfr]

Hey, this keyboard is not intended to win a beauty prize - at least not yet

It is a work instrument mostly used for highly complex text processing and editing in ~85% French (hence AZERTY), 10% German (hence the extra Ä, Ö, Ü and ß) and 5% English (no extra characters needed, see here).

As such, it does a perfect job. It puts repetitive tasks at your fingertips (e.g. invoking style sheets or opening dedicated queries in databases with just one keypress, but also simpler things like browser functions). With its help I was able to process in record time several thousand pages of a German text with each page containing tons of Arabic words and names in Latin transcription (such as Futūḥ or ʿAgǎʾib al-ʿaqālīm) with each special character programmed on a key. And when you do not need certain functions any more, you just replace them.

So you see, it’s not a piece of deco on a nearly empty desk, and it’s not a pretty gaming device.
It’s not a colourful eyecatcher, not a nerdy thing to show off.
It’s a heavy-duty tool, a perfect companion for work.

[Muirium]

I hear you. I just love my modifiers, which I use extensively for invoking scripts and repetitive functions of the day. Single dedicated (for the moment…) keys are your favourite, and I get their appeal. But I have my cake and eat it by exploiting layers to achieve the same end result.

Makes matters a lot easier when I'm switching between keyboards (remember the combos, they work everywhere) and lets me indulge my caps fetish on a fulltime basis!

[kbdfr]

[…] Single dedicated (for the moment…) keys are your favourite, and I get their appeal. But I have my cake and eat it by exploiting layers to achieve the same end result. […]

Using a layer means pressing (at least) two keys, while at the moment I have something like 80 single-key functions (many of them on the two attached small matrix keybords).
Plus, of course, my keyboard is configured exactly like I want it, for example with the numeric pad in the upper right corner (with % and an extra dot and comma).

Well, I guess special truck drivers use to look contemptuously at taxi drivers,
who themselves look down on average car drivers

[jond_keyhack]

thanks