Visiting elecplus (warning: wall of text)

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ohaimark
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23 Dec 2016, 14:01

Be still and listen, peers, as I have another tale to tell.

Many moons ago I suggested that XMIT fly me down to help sort out his collection. That happened, and it was a smashing success. Cindy, A.K.A. elecplus, was interested in meeting me. Unfortunately, the scheduling didn’t allow a meetup. After a long hiatus from Texas, I received an invitation to visit a month or two ago. It didn’t work out, so we shifted the visit to the week before Christmas.

The twist: elecplus herself invited me down to her home in Kerrville. The deal? Airfare, room, and board for hard keyboard-related labor. The visit was precisely what I expected; it was great!

The way down was somewhat treacherous. Due to inclement (read: blizzards and freezing temperatures) weather, my flight was delayed. The hotel’s transport bus prevented the crew from arriving on time, and de-icing took longer than it should have. I missed my second flight and had to wait in the terminal for 4 hours. I found a spot near a window and slept on the floor like a hobo. It didn’t help that temperatures in the plane and terminal varied from ice cold to freezing hot at the whim of the malfunctioning HVAC pantheon.

After some post-arrival searching, elecplus greeted me at the curb with an AEK. The drive back established some common ground. She’s an interesting person with experience in a number of areas, but her major talent (as XMIT and I see it) is making connections. She has an immense network of e-cyclers and sources, so her acquisition abilities are exceptional. Her husband is also a nice guy, though we didn’t interact much.

Elecplus gave me a tour when we arrived at the house. It was chock full of keyboards and other miscellaneous electronics. They were so thick in some areas that it was difficult to walk. It was pretty clear that her warehouse had been transported directly into her home. I was there to move it back, and it’s a good thing I was. When elecplus says she isn’t feeling well, she means it. Things were pretty rough for her while I was there. She did a great job of feeding me and whatnot, though.

The first chunk of my time at elecplus’ was spent unboxing, sorting, and re-boxing keyboards. Due to my relatively complete collection, few were of interest. There were a bunch that I set aside in an interesting to DT members box, so you should see those up at some point after the holidays. Orange/yellow KPT clones, Blue Alps, and SKCL Browns are a few of the switches that caught my eye.

Once everything was boxed and ready elecplus called some movers to haul the lot off to her warehouse. It’s the same warehouse all the stuff came from, but she has a smaller area to work in. The owner remodeled to an extent. In any case, I helped the movers load stuff into their unhealthy truck (it spewed enough diesel fumes to choke a heavy equipment mechanic) and get it to the warehouse.

With that out of the way, elecplus gave me the okay to hang out with XMIT. He rolled in and helped us move some leftover items to the warehouse. Once that wrapped, he took me back to Austin to hang out for a bit. Mrs. XMIT and the MITlets were happy to see me, though we didn’t have the chance to spend much time together. After some BBQ, a trip to the movies, and some keyboard sampling we all called it a night.

XMIT and I woke up early to hit the Dallas warehouses for a marathon sorting session, head back to elecplus’ warehouse, and unload. We spent more than 9 hours in the car and had some great conversations about class disparity, the future of America, and the state of the world in general. We also touched on some bizarre scenery and signs. It’s worth noting XMIT's trail mix recipe. Beef jerky, pistachios, and dehydrated berries (including mulberries!) make an amazing combination. I typically don’t eat trail mix, but his was addictive.

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We were greeted in Dallas by Karim, who showed us what we could dig through and gave us a rundown on his sorting policy. He primarily allowed us in because we’re free labor. USB keyboards, mice, and PS/2 keyboards were to be separated. The additional sorting really slowed down the vintage-finding process. The other major bottleneck was XMIT’s forklift driving, which improved greatly as the day went on. That was a snafu in and of itself, as a professional forklift driver was supposed to show up.

Most of the pallets at Karim’s were quite disappointing. None of his 90 pallets looked promising. We found a few gems, though, including an SSK and a square label Industrial Model M. There were also some Marquette Unicomp Ms, M122s, and other typical finds. XMIT was astonished and pleased when I found a Linux layout keyboard with plate mounted MX black switches. He’s been searching for one since he started collecting. We decided to stop work at Karim’s and visit Ben’s warehouse. Cindy had some presorted pallets there that we thought would be more interesting.

Ben, a boisterous and likable man, gave us a tour of his warehouse before having our pallets hauled out. The scale of e-waste in America is magnificent and horrifying. NIB wireless keyboards, fully functional wireless routers, and all sorts of networking equipment are regular finds. Fully functional PCs are also in the mix, though those are typically deprecated. The most impressive piece of equipment is the shredder, though it wasn’t running while we were there.

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The most interesting find at Ben’s was a beautiful Hall Effect keyboard. XMIT really, really wanted to clean it and document it, but he promised that I could have it when he’s done. I set a monthly reminder in my calendar: Harass XMIT about the Hall Effect. In addition, I snagged a split space bar Alps keyboard for the heck of it.

We went back to Karim’s to continue our work. Not much presented itself, so we decided to leave early. Sorting is filthy, frustrating, and tiring work when finds aren’t regular. Thankfully the remainder will be sorted before they’re shredded. Karim intends to outsource sorting to workers in a foreign country, though I can’t remember which one. I need to send him a rundown on switches and beam spring models so his workers know what to look for.

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The trip back was uneventful. We did find a great local burger joint. They even had fresh cut fries. We unloaded at the warehouse and said our goodbyes. I expect to visit XMIT again sometime in the next year or two, as he’s encouraging me to get a job in Austin or San Fran.

After a night of comatose sleep, I awoke to more work. Shocking, right? After consuming some very authentic breakfast tacos, Elecplus had me build some shelves using scrap lumber. I completed the first one without a miter saw; it was shockingly decent. Thankfully, elecplus acquired proper tools for the second shelving unit. Lots of the 2x4s were warped, so it was difficult to get everything square and level. I’d fail in a woodshop course with the work I did, but the units are passable as shop shelves. In any case, it was such a hassle that I only managed two shelves in an afternoon.

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We rolled back to the house. I crashed. I woke up, prepared for travel, and was chauffeured to the airport by elecplus. We said our goodbyes and I waded through security. I wrote this sitting in the terminal, as there were fewer lines and traffic issues than expected.

Back to the far North... I'll miss my extended family in Texas.

I am returning with two keyboards. The third will arrive later. :roll:

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XMIT
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23 Dec 2016, 14:27

Great writeup! Glad to have you back again, you’re welcome any time! For any other forum members who are interested in visiting please send me a PM. There is an “application process” that mostly consists of a Skype interview.

The aforementioned trail mix consists of beef jerky (original flavor), shelled salted pistachios, and a dried fruit mix consisting of mulberries, apricots, morello cherries and strawberries. I stumbled on it by accident. It’s really good.

The foreign country in this case is Pakistan! We also see e-waste going to China and Hong Kong. A coworker asked me if driving a total of 17 hours in 2 days for these keyboards in a pickup truck offset the carbon emissions they would endure otherwise. At the time I said no, but, shipping halfway across the globe is really inefficient as well.

The Hall effect board ohaimark found is a beautiful TI 911 terminal board, with gray charcoal, and orange double shot keys. It would be a delightful board for any collection. I’d love to keep it but ohaimark did find it and it’s his. All the same, I want to document it and perhaps convert it to USB for my friend. I’m hoping it has “hold low” and not “pulse low” sensors.

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From http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/ ... -Terminal/.

I like to think that we used every minute of our time together effectively. I look forward to ohaimark’s next trip down. Next time, perhaps he and I will focus less on quantity (moving hundreds of keyboards hundreds of miles across the plains) and more on quality (repairing some high value boards together for sale).

Engicoder

23 Dec 2016, 15:26

Thanks for the travel journal. Sounds like you had a busy and rewarding trip. All of my dealings with both XMIT and Elecplus have been excellent. I hope to be able to meet one of both of them someday.

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chuckdee

23 Dec 2016, 16:17

Wow! Really detailed and sounds like a really cool experience! And the trail mix recipe sounds really interesting!

As far as the waste- most human interactions over distance includes some sort of waste, IMO. My job just sent me to Hyderabad to meet with some co-workers there for week long meetings. *That* was *massive* waste, IMO. At least, that's what I thought when they told me I was going. After being there for a week, my opinion has changed. It was massive material and monetary waste, but it was more than made up for in the direct human interaction, and how much we were able to get to know each other and get done while I was there. And it seems like the human interaction and the connections they fostered were worth more than any of the downsides.

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livingspeedbump
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23 Dec 2016, 17:09

Excellent writing and write up! Very enjoyable reading. The Texans of the community seem quite hospitable.

Engicoder, road trip???

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XMIT
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23 Dec 2016, 17:55

It's a *long* drive here from North Carolina - 20+ hours - but you two are always welcome.

Engicoder

23 Dec 2016, 19:42

I drove it straight through back when I was in my 20's...was 22 hours to Dallas.

XMIT, LSB: we should definitely make that happen sometime.

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Ail

23 Dec 2016, 19:53

Seems as though treasure hunting through e-waste is exactly as you would imagine it. Far less treasure than you would hope to findand lots of awful, dirty garbage. The experience sounds wonderful, however. Thanks for sharing.

kitchenace13

23 Dec 2016, 19:59

I live in Dallas and would love to sort through old keyboards (at least for a day)! I'd be interested in learning more if it becomes a group event.

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livingspeedbump
Not what they seem

23 Dec 2016, 19:59

Engicoder wrote: I drove it straight through back when I was in my 20's...was 22 hours to Dallas.

XMIT, LSB: we should definitely make that happen sometime.

Second this for sure.

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elecplus

24 Dec 2016, 00:04

I have 1 guest bedroom with a queen bed. If one or more persons want to come down and use the spare bedroom, that is fine with me. I will have to go back to Dallas soon anyways, but first I have to get the warehouse in better order.

If you are tired of the cold and snow, it is currently 65 and slightly drizzly :-)

Ohaimark and XMIT were excellent to work with! I could not have done it without them.

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alh84001
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24 Dec 2016, 02:45

It's always nice to read these stories from the trenches. With that much sorting, did you start having dreams of legions of rubber dome keyboards attacking you? :lol:
ohaimark wrote: After some post-arrival searching, elecplus greeted me at the curb with an AEK.
Not the sturdiest of weapons.
ohaimark wrote: a trip to the movies
Rouge One?

ohaimark wrote: The other major bottleneck was XMIT’s forklift driving
You should have taken a shot at it then :)

ohaimark wrote: Back to the far North... I'll miss my extended family in Texas.
Keyboards are cool and everything, but the time spent together with other people, sharing thoughts and hopes (and a burger or two on the way) is the best thing you can get from DT. If I ever take that road trip across the States, I think i'll have to make sure the route takes me through TX :)

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ohaimark
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24 Dec 2016, 05:04

We had to perform an exorcism each time we started a box.

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Yep, Rogue One. I was pleased with the ending. Much more gritty than the other movies.

Even though XMIT was inexperienced, he still had more experience than me!

I strongly recommend a TXMIT/elecplus visit to all DT members.

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Mattr567

24 Dec 2016, 05:24

Sounded like a great time.

What was that split spacebar Alps keyboard?

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ohaimark
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24 Dec 2016, 05:47


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vivalarevolución
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28 Dec 2016, 02:49

Wonderful keyboard travel journal!

E-waste is one of the world's most difficult waste management problems. Tons of material, low margins, potential toxic pollution. And it is not going away anytime soon. If only the world loved vintage electronics as much as we do!

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Ratfink

28 Dec 2016, 02:58

If only all e-waste was of such a quality that it was worth loving! If all keyboards were well-made, at some point the world would just have enough and they could stop being manufactured. :shock:

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ohaimark
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28 Dec 2016, 05:27

Ah, the glories of planned obsolescence. :roll:

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