Triumph Adler Keyboard [AUCTION!!!!]

[88Teo88]

Hello
I'm Teo (a new member )

I have a Triumph Adler Keyboard (never used), I know it is ultra rare but
How much is my Triumph Adler worth?
Can you help me?

http://imgur.com/a/q8uTH

[Wodan]

You posted the same question in the keyboard evaluation thread, make up your mind.

Last time I saw one sell was for ~500€ on ebay.de

They are uncommon thought. Maybe the next one sells for 200€ or 1000€ ... or someone finds a stash of 50 and the price goes down to 100€ because after all it's ISO-DE caps ...

Ask for 500 and see if someones bites?

[88Teo88]

Please show me this site where was this keyboard for 500€

[Wodan]

https://www.ebay.de/itm/232090605742

[88Teo88]

i see, and this one?

[Wodan]

No clue, looks like dyesubs. You can get nice blue Dyesubs from EnjoyPBT...

Just not nearly as catchy as the other TA caps.

[ramnes]

i see, and this one?

Can you please take a picture of the back of the backspace keycap?

The keycaps look like the ones on those weird Olivetti keyboards with non-Cherry stabilizers.

And to be honest, I find that one much more interesting: it seems in better condition, and this is the first time I see one like that. Although, like Wodan said, I doubt it would interest someone else than a Cherry collector.

[Drclick]

I once had this version of TA keyboards.
The keycaps is not like other Cherry Dyesubs and with non-Cherry stabilizers like ramnes' Olivetti keyboard.
They are just like keycaps on TA Gabriele 7007L.

[88Teo88]

Wodan:
Ohh Sorry Wodan, i just saw now that, you wrote me another forum (a few weeks) that you care about the keyboard (geekhack) I had a lot of work to do. But then i'm going to do an ebay auction.

Ramnes:
if the new is a better condition (but the is blue is new too, just the previous owner doesnt care the keyboard (and the cable) ) because this keyboard wasn't on internet, just 1 photo

and now from Drclick

Drclick: What happened with that?

[Drclick]

One of my friends stole it from me

[88Teo88]

DrClick:
ohh, i'm sorry

I'm going to do an ebay auction tomorrow (for the blue one)

[88Teo88]

EBAY Auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Keyboar ... Sw3utY7MqR

[kbdfr]

As 88Teo88 is eagerly cross-posting/advertising his keyboard/eBay listing, I am also posting this in all 3 threads where he did so.

The auction has a starting price of $1,000, and there was a bid on it less than half an hour after it started (and now a second bid while I was writing this).
Here on DT, a concern was expressed that this first bidder might be the seller himself trying to boost the price.
I must say all odds are against this hypothesis. When in the bid history you click on the first bidder's nick (coded as c***n (70)), you obtain an overview of that bidder's bids of the last 30days: 8 bids by 8 different sellers on 8 items all in the categories Keyboards and Vintage computing. So no, I'd rather say the bidder simply got the link here (or on any other forums 88Teo88 might have also posted in) and did immediately bid.

But well, nonetheless 88Teo88's eBay account is obviously manipulated.
Short explanation: in eBay feedback views, buyers are coded, but sellers are not, and there is a link to own sales if in the last 6 months.
Well, as 88Teo88 was so kind as to provide a link to his auction, we can see that his eBay nick is brauezsol-0, and that he has a global feedback count of 4, with 2 as a seller and counting as just 1 because it was the same buyer, coded as 0***i (10).
Interessantly enough he also has 1 feedback as a buyer from a seller who happens to have the same feedback of 10 as his own buyer and additionally happens to have a nick very similar to his own, namely braueteofi-0.

Now when we look at the 2 auctions where braueteofi-0 bought from 88Teo88/brauezsol-0 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/112349134222 and http://www.ebay.com/itm/112283046710 ), we see two BuyItNow auctions where simple pens were sold and the buyer bought the whole stock (respectively 10 and 29).
Conversely, when we search the completed sales of his buyer braueteofi-0, we find an auction where he sold the exact same 10 pens he had bought from 88Teo88/brauezsol-0 and all were bought by the same buyer, who is obfuscated because it was a private listing but can be identified as 88Teo88/brauezsol-0 because he appears in his feedback view.

So it is safe to assume that 88Teo88/brauezsol-0 and braueteofi-0 had a few fake sales in order to build an "eBay reputation", as otherwise both would have had no feedback as sellers, only as buyers.

And it is more than safe to assume that 88Teo88/brauezsol-0 and braueteofi-0 are the same person ideed, because the latter had listed another keyboard and cancelled the auction because of an "error in the listing", and the former then listed the exact same item (including a pic of the label).

Now that's a fine person to buy from

And if anybody still is in doubt, here is another proof that 88Teo88/brauezsol-0 and his buyer/seller braueteofi-0 are the same person:

Spoiler:

pic from an eBay listing of 88Teo88/brauezsol-0:




pic from an eBay listing of braueteofi-0:



Now that's a nice door with fine wood grain

[vvp]

Interesting that people are willing to pay $1000 for an old non-ergonomic, non-split, not programmable, flat keyboard which does not even have a USB connector or open firmware.

[subcat]

Interesting that people are willing to pay $1000 for an old non-ergonomic, non-split, not programmable, flat keyboard which does not even have a USB connector or open firmware.

Sounds like someone is unfamiliar with vintage Cherry stuff...
Obviously this one in particular isn't worth 1k but it's the caps that make them so sought after.

[88Teo88]

i have 2 accounts on ebay (my account is braueteofi-0 and my father account is brauezsol-0)

and i can't upload to ebay the keyboard because my limit was $500 in a month, therefore i sold some pens to the other account to increase the limit

so if you have a mona lisa and your ebay limit is $500 then you sell the mona lisa for $500?

and my father is a antique seller, and i would like to help to him on ebay (because is a new platform for him) that his limit is increase, i don't know why is it a big problem.

if you have a question please write to me

(sorry for my english)

[88Teo88]

kbdfr:
you are a very dear person
but there is your answer

[ideus]

People trying to profiting on aficionado-niche-markets are the norm more than an exception, unfortunately. What is really extreme is that someone believe he is fooling expert people. Thank you for made me smile.

As Wodan wisely put it: Make your profit, enjoy it, but do not expect people's sympathy.

[kbdfr]

i have 2 accounts on ebay (my account is braueteofi-0 and my father account is brauezsol-0) […]

Either you have 2 accounts, or you have one and your father has one. From your own explanation ("I sold some pens to the other account") it is obvious that you have full command of both accounts, so your "father" story, even if it weren't a simple lie, is completely irrelevant.

[…] my father is a antique seller, and i would like to help to him on ebay […] i don't know why is it a big problem.

When registering with eBay you accepted their rules, and these clearly forbid such behaviour.
For example you can read in eBay's Policy Tutorial:
"members can't bid on or buy items with the intent to artificially increase a seller's Feedback"
or, as was already pointed out, eBay's multiple account policy clearly states under "Not allowed":
"Registering new accounts or using other existing accounts to avoid buying and selling restrictions or limits or other policy consequences"
or in the eBay help under "Registering another eBay account":
"You can have multiple eBay accounts as long as […] You don't participate in the same listing and don't bid on your own items"

And if you disregard such simple (and self-evident) rules of conduct,
people will reasonably expect you to commit shill-bidding
or simply lie in your item description (e.g. stating "never used" for a used keyboard).

[88Teo88]

ideus: the experts want me (example Wodan, and after the the smear campaign), because i'm beginner...

kbdfr: ohh man please hug the seebart
and i don't know what is your problem, here is the keyboard, it is sale, you don't care this item, you don't want to buy
do you want to be a hero? or? i don't understand

[88Teo88]

and yes it is never used, you say that what you want

[ideus]

This thing has gotten more attention than it deserves, already. Mr. kbdfr has pointed to facts that allow people to norm their criteria about potential wrongdoing from the OP. That is more than enough. Don't give this sad thing more time.

[88Teo88]

i was honest...