Looking to try a Model F (or a switch)

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Volkovich_

15 May 2020, 14:33

Hello everybody,
lately I've been toying with the idea of coming back to classic (or at least classic looking keyboards). I'm currently using the kaihua box white switches, which I love, but damn I love how those Kishsaver reproductions.

The only problem is that the price is too steep for me to just go for it, specially being in switzerland with the import taxes etc. So I'm just going for the extremely long shot... if it would be possible to try a model f (or at least a single switch). I'm afraid that the weighting may be too much and it will become tiring at some point. For reference, I tried also a new old stock Dell Bigfoot with linear modded black alps, and they were too heavy for me. Same goes with the Zealios V2. I tried the v1 and love them, and I still use them, but the V2 were too heavy for me, the tactile point was making the typing too tiring.

I know I'm asking for a lot here, specially because they are very expensive and because I haven't been specially active in this forum.

If someone is willing to help me... I would be forever grateful. If not... I totally understand.

I'm based in the french side of switzerland in case there are other users dans la suisse :)

Thanks!

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ddrfraser1

15 May 2020, 15:17

I have never thought model f buckling springs were too heavy. If anything, there a little too light. Have you tried a model m? It’s a little lighter than that.

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Volkovich_

15 May 2020, 15:27

Nope, that's the issue, I have tried neither of them. And I found myself favoring lighter switches like the zealio V1 and kailh box white, even the cherry mx blue, even though I ended up disliking the keyfeel

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Volkovich_

15 May 2020, 15:28

ddrfraser1 wrote:
15 May 2020, 15:17
I have never thought model f buckling springs were too heavy. If anything, there a little too light. Have you tried a model m? It’s a little lighter than that.
Nope, that's the issue, I have tried neither of them. And I found myself favoring lighter switches like the zealio V1 and kailh box white, even the cherry mx blue, even though I ended up disliking the keyfeel

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ddrfraser1

15 May 2020, 15:35

Man, if I were you, I would save up to buy one. You can’t go wrong with a model f. Watch all chyrosran22’s videos and pick the one you like the most and go for it. Worst case, if you don’t like it there is a healthy resale market and you’ll get your money back. The cheapest one will be either the AT or XT. A model m is a great one to have in the arsenal too. I have 4 myself and 3 fs.

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Volkovich_

15 May 2020, 15:44

ddrfraser1 wrote:
15 May 2020, 15:35
Man, if I were you, I would save up to buy one. You can’t go wrong with a model f. Watch all chyrosran22’s videos and pick the one you like the most and go for it. Worst case, if you don’t like it there is a healthy resale market and you’ll get your money back. The cheapest one will be either the AT or XT. A model m is a great one to have in the arsenal too. I have 4 myself and 3 fs.
Haha I may actually get one these ones: https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/product ... kishsaver/ that one in industrial gray... But good point about the resale value. Also I've seen that this "replicas" are very very good, and from people from deskthority if I'm not wrong

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ddrfraser1

15 May 2020, 15:47

Yes get one! 👍🏼

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Volkovich_

15 May 2020, 17:31

aaaand I got one, let's see when it arrives now :D

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Weezer

02 Jun 2020, 00:45

Volkovich_ wrote:
15 May 2020, 17:31
aaaand I got one, let's see when it arrives now :D
Great choice! Model Fs are excellent keyboards.

Xcore

02 Apr 2021, 17:42

To try it out, I bought an old used F and so far I like the typing on the alphanumeric keys; but the layout on this XT is just… not fitting into my training, I guess. And the spacebar is sooooo stiff. Both problems should not exist on the new Model F, so I'm looking forward to my own order arriving later this year, hopefully.

I usually programm on Cherry MX Browns because they are easily available. I think they are considered relatively light switches, at least lighter than MX Blues. I would say the F is between the blues and the Browns, with it being a tiny bit heavier than the Browns – but it feels better, crispy and clear.

One thing, that I don't like about the F (which I have) is the vibration of the keys. When a finger moves up, then the switch makes a buzzing vibration that travels into my finger. The Model M absolutely does not have this aspect at all. Maybe my F is especially pingy. It was refurbished by another enthusiast and I think the foam was changed. Even if this is typical for every F keyboard, i'd still prefer it to the alternatives, so far.

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TNT

02 Apr 2021, 19:43

Funny enough, I only typed on keyboards with a standard layout until I got my Model F. Now the XT-Layout is my favourite and I'm almost exclusively using XT boards. :D

Have you tried floss modding it? Supposedly that helps a lot against the pinginess without changing keyfeel too much. Many people prefer it to "stock" cap. buckling spring switches.

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Muirium
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02 Apr 2021, 19:48

You… like XT layout? Are you okay?

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TNT

02 Apr 2021, 21:27

:duck:

Xcore

02 Apr 2021, 22:19

I actually today attempted to kitchen towel mod it, because I had no floss with a foam part. Well, kitchen towel does not work at all 😆

But I'll try out the floss mod, once I can get my hands on the required materials.

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TNT

02 Apr 2021, 22:47

So, rolled up paper towel instead of floss? Küchenrollenröllchen in die Federn?

micmil

02 Apr 2021, 23:23

Volkovich_ wrote:
15 May 2020, 15:28
Nope, that's the issue, I have tried neither of them. And I found myself favoring lighter switches like the zealio V1 and kailh box white, even the cherry mx blue, even though I ended up disliking the keyfeel
Working through the keyboard math backwards, I have BOX Jades in one of my keyboards. I'd compare the feel favorably to my New Model M. Since Whites are similar to Jades, only less clicky, I'd say if you like the Whites you'd probably dig the M just fine and since the F is a bit lighter you'd like it even more.

And now for my next trick I explain how I'm a better MMA fighter than Fedor Emelianenko.

Xcore

03 Apr 2021, 00:25

TNT wrote:
02 Apr 2021, 22:47
So, rolled up paper towel instead of floss? Küchenrollenröllchen in die Federn?
Yes, I cut out a very small strip of kitchen towel and folded it, so it would fit into the spring. But it didn't do anything for the ringing. Ich habe bei diesem Experiment Federn gelassen...

Rayndalf

03 Apr 2021, 02:05

Xcore wrote:
03 Apr 2021, 00:25
TNT wrote:
02 Apr 2021, 22:47
So, rolled up paper towel instead of floss? Küchenrollenröllchen in die Federn?
Yes, I cut out a very small strip of kitchen towel and folded it, so it would fit into the spring. But it didn't do anything for the ringing. Ich habe bei diesem Experiment Federn gelassen...
Just install a solenoid, you won't be able to hear any pinging over the sound of it firing :evilgeek:

Xcore

03 Apr 2021, 10:42

My neighbours would kill me probably. 😃

Rayndalf

08 Apr 2021, 14:00

Xcore wrote:
03 Apr 2021, 10:42
My neighbours would kill me probably. 😃
Just think about how happy they'd be when they realized how productive you are.
Solenoids really seem like a lot of fun, I hope they make a comeback.

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