IBM model f foam template
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- Location: England
- Main keyboard: Ibm model M
- Favorite switch: buckling switches
I am looking for the foam templates from Wcass but I cannot find it can someone link the post to me. I am looking for the model f xt. Thanks
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- hellothere
- Location: Mesa, AZ USA
- Main keyboard: Lots
- Main mouse: CST2545W-RC
- Favorite switch: TopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlps
- darkcruix
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F F77 Keyboard
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Ellipse version of Buckling Spring / BeamSpring
- DT Pro Member: 0209
I have used the attached file for F AT foam and it was a perfect fit. I have not looked at the other files (I only manipulated them so they can be laser cut). If you need them for another keyboard, please share the file and results, when done. I would love to make all foam cut files available on my web page at https://www.bucklingspring.com.
I also have converted these two versions which I checked against the Laser Cutting analysis tool for correctness. They contain the SVG file and the PDF. They all are derivatives of a version from the link earlier:
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- Location: England
- Main keyboard: Ibm model M
- Favorite switch: buckling switches
Sorry I meant for the xt versionhellothere wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 16:53viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8033
I did a quick check. I think the templates start on page 5.
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- Location: England
- Main keyboard: Ibm model M
- Favorite switch: buckling switches
Sorry I meant for the xt versiondarkcruix wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 17:15I have used the attached file for F AT foam and it was a perfect fit. I have not looked at the other files (I only manipulated them so they can be laser cut).
Model F AT-Model.pdf.zip
If you need them for another keyboard, please share the file and results, when done. I would love to make all foam cut files available on my web page at https://www.bucklingspring.com.
I also have converted these two versions which I checked against the Laser Cutting analysis tool for correctness. They contain the SVG file and the PDF. They all are derivatives of a version from the link earlier:
F122.zip
F62.zip
- Wazrach
- Location: Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom
- Main mouse: Razer Viper 8KHz/ Viper Mini
- Favorite switch: Buckling springs
- DT Pro Member: -
I know this thread is about a template, but here's something that works really well for me. To mark the foam, I like to put it between the front of the barrel frame and the back of the backplate, holding them firmly together with binder clips. The foam should be sandwiched nicely and won't give, meaning it should be super easy to use a pen and mark the holes accurately. Be careful not to crush any stabiliser clips. You can legibly mark black foam with one of those glittery metallic pens.
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- Location: England
- Main keyboard: Ibm model M
- Favorite switch: buckling switches
can I put it together normally without the barrels (I have no clips on hand) or does it make it easy in the order you mentioned. ThanksWazrach wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 18:58I know this thread is about a template, but here's something that works really well for me. To mark the foam, I like to put it between the front of the barrel frame and the back of the backplate, holding them firmly together with binder clips. The foam should be sandwiched nicely and won't give, meaning it should be super easy to use a pen and mark the holes accurately. Be careful not to crush any stabiliser clips. You can legibly mark black foam with one of those glittery metallic pens.
- Wazrach
- Location: Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom
- Main mouse: Razer Viper 8KHz/ Viper Mini
- Favorite switch: Buckling springs
- DT Pro Member: -
You just literally use the bare plates to sandwich the foam, basically the reverse of how they normally are - the outside of the backplate touching the front of the barrel frame without any barrels. Then you use the barrel plate as the template.Samdoses wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 19:10can I put it together normally without the barrels (I have no clips on hand) or does it make it easy in the order you mentioned. ThanksWazrach wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 18:58I know this thread is about a template, but here's something that works really well for me. To mark the foam, I like to put it between the front of the barrel frame and the back of the backplate, holding them firmly together with binder clips. The foam should be sandwiched nicely and won't give, meaning it should be super easy to use a pen and mark the holes accurately. Be careful not to crush any stabiliser clips. You can legibly mark black foam with one of those glittery metallic pens.
- hellothere
- Location: Mesa, AZ USA
- Main keyboard: Lots
- Main mouse: CST2545W-RC
- Favorite switch: TopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlps
I double-checked to make sure I wasn't hallucinating, especially because I used one of these templates on an F XT within the past year or two. I was right! It's the first post on page 5 of that thread. I don't know if this will work -- I've had direct links to files fail before -- but here's a link to the file.
- darkcruix
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F F77 Keyboard
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Ellipse version of Buckling Spring / BeamSpring
- DT Pro Member: 0209
hellothere wrote: ↑03 May 2021, 19:09I double-checked to make sure I wasn't hallucinating, especially because I used one of these templates on an F XT within the past year or two. I was right! It's the first post on page 5 of that thread. I don't know if this will work -- I've had direct links to files fail before -- but here's a link to the file.
I completely missed that one - thanks !!!
I made another drawing that removes some additional lines (attached the SVG and PDF).
- hellothere
- Location: Mesa, AZ USA
- Main keyboard: Lots
- Main mouse: CST2545W-RC
- Favorite switch: TopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlps
I think I mentioned elsewhere, but I would definitely, absolutely pay for someone to make Model F "foam" mats ... if I ever get another Model F in need of repair, that is. While I think the templates are great, I must have failed scissors, hole punches, and Xacto knife trimming in high school. My best job pales in comparison to laser-cut.
- darkcruix
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F F77 Keyboard
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Ellipse version of Buckling Spring / BeamSpring
- DT Pro Member: 0209
I made 5 AT neoprene mats ... I only needed one. The problem is the price. The cut in low quantities is the problem. I paid $65 for the first mat and <$115 for all six I made. If I would get 20 pcs. created for each major model the price would be at $30 each - without shipping. I doubt that people would pay such a high price for it....hellothere wrote: ↑04 May 2021, 00:04I think I mentioned elsewhere, but I would definitely, absolutely pay for someone to make Model F "foam" mats ... if I ever get another Model F in need of repair, that is. While I think the templates are great, I must have failed scissors, hole punches, and Xacto knife trimming in high school. My best job pales in comparison to laser-cut.
- hellothere
- Location: Mesa, AZ USA
- Main keyboard: Lots
- Main mouse: CST2545W-RC
- Favorite switch: TopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlps
I'd buy a couple Model F XT @ $15 a piece. Like, right now. I don't even have any Model Fs right now.
Group buy? Get a bunch done and sell on ebay?
Group buy? Get a bunch done and sell on ebay?
- darkcruix
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F F77 Keyboard
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Ellipse version of Buckling Spring / BeamSpring
- DT Pro Member: 0209
For 20 I'd pay 205 EUR shipped, that is US$ 248 (would be ca. $15 per piece if I calculated that correctly).
I am based in Europe, so it would not make a ton of sense to ship them across the pond.
I am happy to get a bunch made here in Europe and pass them on - what would you say are the most common ones needed?
* XT
* F122
* AT
* ?
I am based in Europe, so it would not make a ton of sense to ship them across the pond.
I am happy to get a bunch made here in Europe and pass them on - what would you say are the most common ones needed?
* XT
* F122
* AT
* ?
- Muirium
- µ
- Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
- Main keyboard: HHKB Type-S with Bluetooth by Hasu
- Main mouse: Apple Magic Mouse
- Favorite switch: Gotta Try 'Em All
- DT Pro Member: µ
I could use an AT and original Kishsaver. Neither needs it yet but y’know.
Do Beamsprings need similar cutting? If so, 3276 me up.
If volume helps, we could hoard spares I suppose. Really depends on pricing and shelf life.
Do Beamsprings need similar cutting? If so, 3276 me up.
If volume helps, we could hoard spares I suppose. Really depends on pricing and shelf life.
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- Location: England
- Main keyboard: Ibm model M
- Favorite switch: buckling switches
Thanks you this will really helphellothere wrote: ↑03 May 2021, 19:09I double-checked to make sure I wasn't hallucinating, especially because I used one of these templates on an F XT within the past year or two. I was right! It's the first post on page 5 of that thread. I don't know if this will work -- I've had direct links to files fail before -- but here's a link to the file.
- Wazrach
- Location: Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom
- Main mouse: Razer Viper 8KHz/ Viper Mini
- Favorite switch: Buckling springs
- DT Pro Member: -
I'd love a 122-key mat! I already have one which is just fine, but I'd like something a bit cleaner than my typical rough work.
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- an_achronism
- Location: Scotland
- Main keyboard: IBM 5150 Personal Computer keyboard (1981)
- Main mouse: Gigabyte GM-M6880X
- Favorite switch: Capacitive buckling spring (IBM F models)
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If you're in Europe, you're not that far from me, much to the dismay of the current UK government (;)) so I would potentially be interested in stocking up on one or two of these. I'm in the process of attempting to build a wee IBM collection for the first time.
Is it any less viable to mix and match the templates when you order these, or is that perfectly fine as long as you're buying a few in one go? So if you ordered a handful of F122s, some XTs, some ATs, or whatever, would that be OK or would you need to order a minimum amount for each template? Would the per-unit pricing be any different for the larger boards, e.g. F122?
I might be in for an XT, AT, F122, and potentially one for the mythical F107 that I don't own but merely wish I did. I can dream, eh?
Is it any less viable to mix and match the templates when you order these, or is that perfectly fine as long as you're buying a few in one go? So if you ordered a handful of F122s, some XTs, some ATs, or whatever, would that be OK or would you need to order a minimum amount for each template? Would the per-unit pricing be any different for the larger boards, e.g. F122?
I might be in for an XT, AT, F122, and potentially one for the mythical F107 that I don't own but merely wish I did. I can dream, eh?
- hellothere
- Location: Mesa, AZ USA
- Main keyboard: Lots
- Main mouse: CST2545W-RC
- Favorite switch: TopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlpsHallEffectTopreAlps
As I often say on this forum, I'm disappointed because I'm in the USA.
I think the most common are going to be the Model F XT followed by the Model F AT. 83/84 key.
I think the most common are going to be the Model F XT followed by the Model F AT. 83/84 key.
- darkcruix
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F F77 Keyboard
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Ellipse version of Buckling Spring / BeamSpring
- DT Pro Member: 0209
I have a first delivery of Model F AT foam, 2mm Neoprene. I'd sell it for US$ 20, but have no clue about international shipping costs etc.
As the foam can be placed in a padded envelope, it should be relatively inexpensive.
Please PM me, if you are interested in F AT foam ... pictures of it an earlier batch can be seen here but the new cut is exactly the same, made by Snijlab in The Netherlands:
As the foam can be placed in a padded envelope, it should be relatively inexpensive.
Please PM me, if you are interested in F AT foam ... pictures of it an earlier batch can be seen here but the new cut is exactly the same, made by Snijlab in The Netherlands:
- darkcruix
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F F77 Keyboard
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Ellipse version of Buckling Spring / BeamSpring
- DT Pro Member: 0209
Properly sized foams are available:
IBM F122, 2mm neoprene: US$ 28
IBM F62, 2mm neoprene (not for the reproduction): US$ 12
IBM AT, 2mm neoprene: US$ 14
Shipping cost depends on the country it needs to be shipped to, I am based in Germany / EU.
I only have a small amount available, please PM me.
IBM F122, 2mm neoprene: US$ 28
IBM F62, 2mm neoprene (not for the reproduction): US$ 12
IBM AT, 2mm neoprene: US$ 14
Spoiler:
I only have a small amount available, please PM me.
- Bjerrk
- Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
- Main keyboard: Cherry G80-1800 & Models F & M
- Main mouse: Mouse Keys, Trackpoint, Trackball
- Favorite switch: IBM Buckling Springs+Beamspring, Alps Plate Spring
Great work!darkcruix wrote: ↑07 Jun 2021, 11:47Properly sized foams are available:
IBM F122, 2mm neoprene: US$ 28
IBM F62, 2mm neoprene (not for the reproduction): US$ 12
IBM AT, 2mm neoprene: US$ 14
Shipping cost depends on the country it needs to be shipped to, I am based in Germany / EU.Spoiler:
I only have a small amount available, please PM me.
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- Location: USA
- Main keyboard: Model F XT
- Main mouse: Mac Magic Mouse 2
- Favorite switch: Buckling spring
Shoot, I would've totally purchased one from you if they were the right size. Any plans to try another batch?
Also, I was wondering how you decided on neoprene cellular rubber for the material. I tried researching what foam to use for the Model F, and this is the first place I saw someone mention a material. Is that what IBM originally used?
- darkcruix
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F F77 Keyboard
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Ellipse version of Buckling Spring / BeamSpring
- DT Pro Member: 0209
I created my own templates and I ordered a very small batch for testing now ... I'll keep you posted on the outcome.qzyki wrote: ↑23 Jun 2021, 08:37Shoot, I would've totally purchased one from you if they were the right size. Any plans to try another batch?
Also, I was wondering how you decided on neoprene cellular rubber for the material. I tried researching what foam to use for the Model F, and this is the first place I saw someone mention a material. Is that what IBM originally used?
Find attached the two PDF templates I've used.
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- Bigfoot-Model-F-XT.pdf
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- Wazrach
- Location: Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom
- Main mouse: Razer Viper 8KHz/ Viper Mini
- Favorite switch: Buckling springs
- DT Pro Member: -
I'd love to know how to print these to scale onto cardboard or something. It would make my marking and hole-punching a lot easier, although everything still lines up fine the way I do it currently.
Speaking of which, as much as I love the 3mm neoprene I've been using, I made my best mat yet out of 3mm white polyethylene. I'm not sure which provides the better key feel and sound, although it was much easier to mark and punch holes into. I always omitted the slits for the metal tabs to poke through, as it was too hard to reliably mark and cut these into neoprene. It was so much easier with the polyethylene, and I was able to craft a much neater mat. It cost me £17.90 for a 2m x 1m roll, which, needless to say, should last forever.
Speaking of which, as much as I love the 3mm neoprene I've been using, I made my best mat yet out of 3mm white polyethylene. I'm not sure which provides the better key feel and sound, although it was much easier to mark and punch holes into. I always omitted the slits for the metal tabs to poke through, as it was too hard to reliably mark and cut these into neoprene. It was so much easier with the polyethylene, and I was able to craft a much neater mat. It cost me £17.90 for a 2m x 1m roll, which, needless to say, should last forever.
- darkcruix
- Location: Germany
- Main keyboard: Brand New Model F F77 Keyboard
- Main mouse: Logitech MX Master
- Favorite switch: Ellipse version of Buckling Spring / BeamSpring
- DT Pro Member: 0209
I have received the foams for XT and the Bigfoot... and it fits like a glove ... the templates are good, imho: Unfortunately the foam is only 1.5mm thick. It does work, but not to my specs. I could use two foam mats combined and it was just right: I don't want to sell them, as they are way to expensive, when you need to use two of them. My order of 5 each did cost me 75 Eur with tax ...darkcruix wrote: ↑23 Jun 2021, 11:17I created my own templates and I ordered a very small batch for testing now ... I'll keep you posted on the outcome.qzyki wrote: ↑23 Jun 2021, 08:37Shoot, I would've totally purchased one from you if they were the right size. Any plans to try another batch?
Also, I was wondering how you decided on neoprene cellular rubber for the material. I tried researching what foam to use for the Model F, and this is the first place I saw someone mention a material. Is that what IBM originally used?
Find attached the two PDF templates I've used.