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- seebart (Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:15:17 +0100) I've seen those beige G80-11900's more than once over the last couple of years.I will have to reiterate Daniel here; our wiki is problematic in that a reader may tend to believe the data he/she is reading is validated and "final" since it is a comprehensive keyboard information source after all. This is not the case, bigger problem yet it is very often impossible for the author to estimate if there are other variants of some keyboard or switch that happen to not have been sighted. What to do? Slap a disclaimer on every single page? I don't think so.
- Daniel Beardsmore (Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:57:31 +0100) I would be very suspicious about pretty much anything written on the wiki about Cherry G80 keyboards and classic MX switches. There are all sorts of claims that are not backed by any evidence, and I have no idea what's true and what isn't. Many of the people responsible are gone, and there's no way now to independently verify anything that was asserted.Your query happens to be an extra facet of information that would be accumulated by a keyboard database:keyboards-f2/switch-lifespans-through-statistics-t15487.htmlThe ones listed on your site have article numbers ending _U___ and _P___, and both of these denote MX Black (so far as we know!) — I assume that the ones with MX Brown have a different letter in position 2 of the five-letter suffix? (see Cherry article numbers)Besides, even if the page said "All keyboards found to date have MX Black switches …" (which is more honest) you'd have to dig through the page history to find when that was written, because the vast majority of new discoveries aren't added to the wiki and these kinds of well-meaning claims tend to become outdated. That claim about the switches was written when the page was initially created, in November 2011! In keyboard discovery terms, that's a very, very long time ago! It feels like we're still only scraping the surface of what's out there.I would add though that MX Brown is fairly unusual in Cherry keyboards. For example, you cannot buy G80-3000 with MX Brown switches. For some reason Cherry just won't make any. Clears, yes, oddly, which is what I bought, but for industrial/POS purposes it's generally MX Black, and for typists, Black or Blue. Brown seems to be something of a special switch in Cherry's mind, although other manufacturers treat it as a perfectly normal switch.
- ohaimark (Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:37:11 +0100) I think there are more variants. I remember selling a couple with browns.
- elecplus (Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:23:18 +0100) https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_G80-11900This page states that all the switches are always MX blacks, but I have some browns.It also says the keyboards are grey or black, but mine are cream/beige.Do I have something strange, or are there just more variants than listed on the wiki page?https://www.elecshopper.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=11900
- Daniel Beardsmore (Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:23:04 +0100) When are we going to see the rear label and PCB from this keyboard?
- ArtoriasEdgeworth (Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:27:16 +0100) And having a chart for each profile is a good idea.Also, isn't the frictional coefficient a constant?
- ArtoriasEdgeworth (Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:25:52 +0100) Something that I was thinking was a force gauge pulling a sheet of paper with a weight across the keycap. Then say the peak force that the gauge measured. I know you can get a force gauge for pretty cheap, and use a standardized weight?
- Chyros (Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:07:54 +0100) XMIT wrote:Hi there ArtoriasEdgeworth! Neat idea!Do you mean surface roughness, how it feels when you slide your finger along the top? I can think of a few empirical measurements:- coefficient of friction, µ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction#...f_friction- mean particle size or "grit", µm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandpaper#Grit_size_tableI think the latter is better!Grit wouldn't account for the different friction coefficients for different materials though.
- HuBandiT (Sun, 15 Jan 2017 08:32:01 +0100) Here some more - apparently from the company that invented textured injection molding: http://www.mold-tech.com/downloads/
- Wodan (Sun, 15 Jan 2017 08:01:15 +0100) I'm afraid the samples we will be seeing are so close together, they will basically all be in one class even thuogh they give a sliiightly different feeling. Like comparing Cherry PBT keycaps with Gateron PBT and other PBT keycap surfaces ... the differences will be incredibly small but noticable. Maybe we can create some surface standards between SA and DSA surface Still it will e FAR away from something measured. We will not get a measured value or something we could draw an average from ...